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Hey there. :) Just wanted to update you. White Plume Mountain has just been made a GA, joining Dwellers of the Forbidden City and Tomb of Horrors. :) Plus, we've still got a few in the cooker... We've found that modules are (relatively speaking) way easier than anything else to move ahead, so we're going to try to get as many of the major ones as possible promoted. BOZ 19:32, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Greyhawk's article on Wikipedia


We are considering what to do to make Greyhawk into a "Good Article". Please discuss here if you like, or just check out the article itself and see what you can do. :) Note that since my last message, Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth, and White Plume Mountain are also now GA's. BOZ 22:34, 2 March 2009 (EST)


I uploaded two different crops of the image, one that shows him full-body and one that shows his face and sword in somewhat better resolution. I'm not sure which is more appropriate. -- Rip 18:22, 3 March 2009 (EST)


Hey there. :) In my quest to get more Wikipedia articles up to "Good Article" status, I've gotten ambitious and decided to take on the Drow article. Yeah, call me crazy, but I'm going to do it. :) I've put a bunch of work into the AD&D 1st edition section, using the sources I had on hand (don't have Q1 so did what I could), though I probably went overboard and will need to trim back a bit. I'm going to start on the 2nd edition section soon, but I would appreciate any help you or anyone you know can give towards building up the publication history properly, finding sources, checking for inaccuracies and completeness, etc. I'd especially need help in bulking up the novels section, as I don't have any of these. Any help you can give, even as a cheering section, would be appreciated. :) BOZ 22:57, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Have you settled on a final name for this wiki yet?


You still have a mixture of "GH Wiki" and "The Great Library of Greyhawk". Have you and the other editors of this wiki settled on a final name for this wiki yet?

If you have then someone needs to go around and remove the "incorrect name", so that you just have one name for this wiki.

I wanted to creat a page for your wiki on WikiIndex, but there is no point in me doing that while you don't have the name sorted out. I don't want to create a page that is going to work against your "corporate identity".

Once you have that sorted out, it would be nice to see your wiki dropped into the Dungeons & Dragons category of WikiIndex, as that is rather empty at the moment.

Big Mac 07:45, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for your speedy reply. The text "Ghwiki" appears in the <title> tag of the HTML that this wiki is generating. So it is showing up in the top of the user's browser on every page. I think an admin is going to need to fix that sort of thing. (Hopefully "The Great Library of Greyhawk" is not too long to fit up there. I suspect it is and that you might need to drop the word "The" from the start of the name.) Big Mac 10:30, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks for the heads up on who can fix this. Would you be able to get in touch with Gary Holian, and pass on my suggestion to fix the title that the wiki is sending out?
BTW: I'm going to put up a basic page over at WikiIndex with the name "The Great Library of Greyhawk". It is a wiki, so feel free to edit the blurb and improve it. Big Mac 10:39, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
EDIT: The page is up: See 'The Great Library of Greyhawk' at WikiIndex. I still need the logo. Big Mac 11:03, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks for the information about who made the logo. I've posted a request for help on Saracenus's user page. As he (and not the wiki) owns the logo, I guess it is up to him now. Big Mac 11:36, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

Dave Arneson

Hey there, did you hear about Dave Arneson? Please help me keep an eye on that article if you can, for reasons I stated on the talk page. BOZ 08:45, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Empire of Iuz

Time for round 3 BOZ 11:12, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Just Learning

Hello I hope that I can help my doing just some grunt work of copying and pasting stuff to expand what is already becoming a great site. I am having trouble creating a link for the city of Zeif. If anyone could tell what I am doing wrong I would be very greatful.

Is what I am doing worth while to this project?

User:LordTshil 6/5/2009

I'm not sure what your issue is with the city of Zeif link. Without actually knowing the problem, I can only throw out random advice that possibly does not apply to you. Do you known the wiki-code for adding links? Do you have the capitalisation correct? Are you aware that City of Zeif, City Of Zeif and city of zeif all point to different places? Maybe you could say what article you are having the problem in, so that someone else can surf over there and see what the issue is.
Looks like some of the grunt work you are doing is the creation of 'stub' articles. I've seen other wikis, where they have a stub category and a stub template (or stub-section template) that automatically adds 'unfinished' articles into the stub category. But I can't find a similar category (or template) over here.
I think the main reason for a stub category, is that your helpful work pulls these article names out of Special:Wantedpages, but does not leave other editors with a clue that the page is still mostly empty. So when another editor comes along to help, they don't get a 'red flag' on the names of the articles that you have created. Essentially, you face the risk that the wiki eventually has a small percentage of 'mostly empty' articles and future editors struggle to find out where they are. But adding Category:Stubs would create a list of articles (on the category page) that are known to need further attention. And that means that others can build on your good work (instead of having to hunt for it).
Done!--Robbastard 20:18, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
BTW: You are not doing anything wrong here. I think that the stub issue has just been overlooked.
Forgotten Realms Wiki calls this Category:Stubs (with an 's' on the end), so it looks like someone would have to choose between singular and plural. FR Wiki have 1,640 articles tagged as stubs, so it looks like they have an organised program of 'grunt work'.
I'm not sure if The Great Library of Greyhawk wants to go down the same route as Forgotten Realms Wiki, but I think there are big advantages to going that way. Essentially, someone doing grunt-work, like you, can 'stub' as you create barebones pages and other editors can 'de-stub' (i.e. remove the stub-category) after they fill them out with more meaningful content.
Not everyone can create fully detailed articles from scratch and I think there is an important role for editors like you. Big Mac 07:51, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
The proper name of the city of Zeif is Zeir-i-Zeif, according to the Living Greyhawk Journal #5.-- Rip 19:40, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

And yes, I think creating blank templates for the various cities is useful. It makes writing the articles much easier. -- Rip 19:41, 23 June 2009 (EDT)


Several D&D pages involved in this likely trainwreck:

Split out into BOZ 19:44, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Infoboxes and Images

I think the larger 250 pixel image looks a little much for the module, actually, but maybe that's just because I'm not used to it. On the other hand, some of the 200 pixel images are too small for detail to be seen. If you want to change all or future infobox images I wouldn't mind. -- Rip 18:27, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Worth reading

At least this time, the latest Gavin drama doesn't involve us in any way, and it's good for other people to see him as the troll he really is. Maybe he'll finally get himself blocked for his BS incivility for a change, instead of just another slap on the wrist.

BOZ 13:26, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

New resource found for Sea of Dust article

Hi, I'm contacting you because you are one of the two people who has edited the Sea of Dust article. I just found a new source of information for the Sea of Dust. I've added it to the Bibliography section and added some background information to the article's talk page. Please can you check it out and see if anything needs to be updated. Thanks. Big Mac 19:01, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

Please also check Twisted Forest (mentioned in the same AOL resource). I've stuck the same blurb on the talk page, but you won't need to read it again. It is there in case a drive-by editor comes past before you see this. Big Mac 19:26, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
Add Burning Cliffs and Rigodruok to this request. Big Mac 19:37, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

Spam attack in progress!

Spammers are currently in the progress of setting up a number of fake user pages (with names including the spam information). They don't seem to actually be attacking any articles at the moment - just setting up their user pages. So far I see 15 spam user accounts.

You will find them all in the recent changes list. I'm currenlty going to all of the pages and removing their spam content. However, I am not able to block their IPs or delete the user accounts. Please can you bump this up the ladder ASAP.

I think that your account registration system might need a bit of an update, as it seems like some spambot has worked out how to bypass your current protection. Big Mac 17:29, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

A well-done article!

Check out the Greyhawk deities article at Wikipedia. Very well done and well researched!

Also, you have a message waiting for you there on your talk page. ;) BOZ 23:30, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

And, check out the same fellow's massive rewrite of the Greyhawk article! BOZ 18:36, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

Re Astra

I understand what you're saying, however, I didn't start the page. It consisted of a single sentence when I found it. Meaning, I don't know how to do what you're asking of me. I'm not all that "computer literate" and I'm just "feeling my way." Most of what I've done with Rel Astra, I've done for the first time. You'll have to "talk me through it." Sorry Mystic-Scholar 09:57, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

Rel Astra

If I can, I will. Interestingly, I only started the project so that I could "link" yet another "orphaned" page -- changecat. I'm trying to do a little bit of everything! This is great stuff -- but man, does it take time! My hat's really off to you. Look for me to do all that I can -- this is great!

Oh -- How's my work? Mystic-Scholar 09:58, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

Rel Astra

Well, I think I just messed that up. Check out the page. What did I do wrong? Mystic-Scholar 21:02, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Rel Astra mess

Whew! I undid the mess. Guess I haven't figured it out yet. Still working on it! Hey! Got the signature down! Mystic-Scholar 21:05, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Rel Astra - Greyhawk Realm

I did it! Wooo-hooo! Ha, ha, ha! Yeah! This is great! Is this how you feel all the time? Ha, ha, ha! Mystic-Scholar 21:15, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Spoil Sport

Rob, you're trying to take all the fun out of life! Just kidding! Ha, ha, ha! Having a great time learning from the "pros" as it were. I'm probably not finished with Rel Astra, but need more source material anyhow.

I'm going to tackle Almor, North Kingdom and the Sorcerer's Nexus -- maybe not in that order, we'll see. So, you're going to be busy! But . . .

You're not going to take away my fun though! Woooo-hoooo!

Btw, you guys simply have to install emoticons on this page! Ha, ha, ha!

Can't wait to see how you "butcher" my "Notes" section! (Shudder) Mystic-Scholar 08:42, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

Wow! Rel Astra is about 95% untouched! I survived the editor! Wooo-hooo! That's it, there's no stopping me now! Ha, ha, ha! Mystic-Scholar 23:50, 26 August 2009 (EDT)


Man! Picky, picky, picky! Damn you editors! No wonder "authors" don't like you guys! Ha, ha, ha!

All taken care of, my friend. Thanks for pointing that out! Onwards and upwards!

Told you I was going to keep you busy! (Raspberry) Mystic-Scholar 10:08, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Just reading through Rip's "talk" page -- you even bashed on him in the beginning! Suddenly, I'm honored. (Smiles) Starting work again in my A.M. Onwards and upwards! (Insert evil laugh here) Mystic-Scholar 23:41, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Sorcerer's Nexus

I've just created this page, "Sorcerer's Nexus." I've typed information into the "Greyhawk Organization" box to the right, but nothing is appearing. What am I doing wrong? Mystic-Scholar 15:03, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, forgot my signature last time out! I'm now having the same problem with the page I just created for the Guild of Wizardry. Little help please, when you can spare me a moment. Thanks! Mystic-Scholar 15:03, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Please add "Society of Magi" to the above list. Told you I'd keep you busy! (Smile) Mystic-Scholar 20:01, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Just realized about the "links" as you messaged me, sorry. Not trying to be a bother. Mystic-Scholar 20:06, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Much thanks, but how did you do it. I know that you're busy -- I'm one of the guys keeping you that way. But I would like to learn, if you have time to brief explain what you did. Thanks, Robbastard, Mystic-Scholar 20:11, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Hot dog! That's why you are the Master and I am but the Student. I will go far under your tutelage! Onwards and upwards! Step back unbelievers! Ha, ha, ha! Mystic-Scholar 20:15, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Its just me, the noisome fly again. Er, how do you do the "pipe"? I don't see a straight up and down line on my keyboard. Mystic-Scholar 20:20, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

EUREKA!!! We are the greatest! Mystic-Scholar 20:35, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Oh! Ah, more stuff to edit on the way! Ha, ha, ha! Mystic-Scholar 20:37, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Society of Magi

Working from limited material -- but I'm collecting! Glad you're here with the additional info. Thanks! Mystic-Scholar 20:58, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

EUREKA!!! Successfully did "pipe" for "Greyhawk" in the first sentence of "Guild of Wizardry!" Wooo-hooo! Onwards and upwards! Mystic-Scholar 21:04, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Council of Wizards

The "Council of Wizards" article is ready for your purusal and scissors! I assume that you're alerted whenever a new article makes an appearence, yes? Mystic-Scholar 23:03, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

Actually, you don't cut my writing up too much. Thanks! Just curious, am I improving any yet? Mystic-Scholar 23:16, 28 August 2009 (EDT)


I understand your point competely, I only wish to gently remind you that I have limited sources at this time, but I'm working on it. And know that my "contributions" will not be forgotten by me. I intend to improve upon them each time I gain a new piece of source material. You and Rip will not need to "baby sit" them, I intend to do so. Even now, I peruse them everyday, just to see if I "got" everything I could find.

But please continue the suggestions and critique. When I first finish them, I think my articles look good, then you edit them and I look them over again and I think they look fantastic! I wish to improve as a "writer." Don't let up on me! Mystic-Scholar 12:22, 29 August 2009 (EDT)


Sorry, but I don't think I'm understanding how this is done. I can't seem to get that blue box I've noticed on other pages to appear for me. How do I "add" category to the bottom of the page? Mystic-Scholar 15:12, 29 August 2009 (EDT)


Just "tooling" around clicking on "links," is Longspear still a "stub," after my additions? Only interested in learning. Mystic-Scholar 18:53, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

Wikipedia Signpost/2009-09-21/WikiProject report: WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons

Check it out!  :) [1] BOZ 11:28, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

New accounts

At my request (and Maldin's enthusiastic insistence), Gary's closed the ability to create new accounts in order to fight the ridiculous spam plague (and he deleted the 1000+ spam accounts). It should also be impossible for unregistered users to make edits, now. On the main page, I added instructions for actual human beings who want to make edits to request accounts on the forum, though I'm not clear exactly how that will happen. I think Gary will have to do it. -- Rip 22:05, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Protecting pages

Is there a point in protecting pages, now that editing is turned off for people who haven't logged in? -- Rip 20:19, 20 December 2009 (EST)

I guess not. I've just being doing it reflexively, I suppose.--Robbastard 20:21, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Anne Brown

Hey Rob! I caught up with Anne on Facebook, and showed her the bio on Wikipedia, and this one as well. She had this to say:

"Hi there, Gee whiz, I didn't know any of this stuff was out there! If you have the time and inclination to edit the entry, that would be great. I just don't have time at the moment. The hitch is that I never worked for WoTC. I left TSR in August 1997 and never left Wisconsin. I was also never in charge of Team Greyhawk -- just a very vocal advocate within TSR. OMG, where did they find that picture? It had to be a seminar, and I'm wondering if it was the Greyhawk seminar at GenCon 1997.

I don't have any kind of "official" bio -- just whatever I cobble together any time I'm asked. More recently, I've been writing educational nonfiction books for middle schoolers. I haven't done any gaming work in a while.

Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I guess I should google myself once in a while! Thanks! Anne"

BOZ 20:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Greyhawk characters

Hey Rob!

We have a user who's been adding some really nice background info on the Wikipedia articles for various Greyhawk characters, such as Mordenkainen, Bigby, Tenser, Zagyg, Rary, Robilar, Murlynd, Erac's Cousin, and even Gord. :) Just thought you might be interested to check that out. BOZ 10:33, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

How annoying

Hmm, where have we seen this before, iconic D&D monsters put up for deletion with no prior discussion at all...

BOZ 00:39, 19 April 2010 (EDT)