User talk:Robbastard/ archive 01

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Well, I'm here

Now what?--Robbastard 20:16, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Thank you!

Thank you for all of your assistance!

GVDammerung 21:08, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

NP.--Robbastard 21:10, 26 July 2007 (EDT)


I don't see it as a problem unless 4e actually uses a different term to describe "affiliations" - if it does, a new template can be created then. But if you feel strongly about this, feel free to create a different template and delete mine; I'll use the new one instead. I don't have any strong feelings on the subject, myself.

RE: Bluto sans Pite

Sorry about that -- I've added the cite. The info came from page 105 of Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk, where it says that the Iuzites found his body and turned him into a mohrg. Pat Payne 18:37, 18 September 2007 (EDT)


Just wondering why you didn't create this as a Wikia site, which would presumably allow for closer ties to the D&D and Forgotten Realms Wikis already present there. I'm sure there could easily be good reasons, I'm just ignorant. But if you're just unaware of the possibility, I thought I'd bring it up now, instead of after a lot of work has been done here. (Note that even WoWwiki-which has a separate domain name-is listed with Wikia, I don't understand how that works out though.) --Rindis 22:27, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

This wiki does not need to be moved to Wikia. Wikia is a place for people who can't afford to host their own wikis. Wikia wikis have adverts inserted into them to help pay for the webspace, so an independent wiki (like this one) is better if you can afford to pay for it.
The people on other Wikia wikis are not employees of Wikia and will not make decisions to connect (or not to connect) to other wikis based on the URL of the wiki itself. I would think that most wikia owners would want to work with the most accurate sources. I am the creator of Spelljammer Wiki and I'm quite happy to add links to appropriate Greyhawk Wiki pages in the references section of my Greyspace pages. I can't speak for other people, but I feel this way, because Canonfire is the best fan source for Greyhawk, so if this wiki wasn't here I would actually think less of it. (For Dragonlance stuff, I'd rather link to Dragonlance Lexicon than a Dragonlance wiki. This is because Dragonlance Lexicon is hosted on Dragonlance Nexus and most of the fan community see that as the best source of information.)
I think the main thing Robbastard needs to do is make sure other people know that this wiki exists. I personally don't think he should limit himself to working with wiki editors. If other official D&D websites and leading fansites have a preferred method of creating an encyclopedia for their setting, it might be better for him to link with them. But that sort of thing isn't my call.
I'm glad you noticed that WoWwiki isn't on Wikia. It is a good example of a wiki that is trusted by many people who are Wikia editors. There is a proceedure for getting shortcut links set up (so that Wikia editors don't have to put in entire URLs of wikis). I presume that Greyhawk Wiki would qualify for one of these shortcut links if they applied to the right admin. If Robbastard wants to know more about this, he can ask in Wikia's Gaming Lounge. This forum is the home of Wikia's Gaming community. They are mostly into computer RPGs, but do help out people interested in tabletop RPGs and one of them should know who sets up inter-wiki links.Big Mac 04:52, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Spelling of Sess'innek

In Monster Mythology, the demon lord is called "Sess'innek" eight times, "Sess'inek" once (in the table of contents), and "Sess'Innek" once (in the title of his entry). In On Hallowed Ground, his name is always spelled "Sess'innek" (in the index and on page 49). In Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, his name is spelled "Sess'Innek" once and "Sess'inek" once (both on page 156). In Planes of Chaos, his name is spelled "Sess'inek" three times (once in the Book of Chaos, page 20, and twice on the poster map). In Serpent Kingdoms, his name is spelled "Sess'innek" twenty times.

My conclusion was that "Sess'innek" is the proper spelling, and that "Sess'Innek" and "Sess'inek" are typos that were accidentally perpetuated in a few places (including Wikipedia). Rip 19:45, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Though 'FC 1 is the most recent source & doesn't use the "Sess'innek" spelling, I agree that it's most likely correct (at least until WotC decides otherwise), so I've reverted to the previous version. Thanks for filling me in.--Robbastard 19:59, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Norebo and Phyton

They are at AFD in case you haven't been checking Wikipedia. BOZ 13:25, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Lost Norebo; Phyton likely to follow if handled in the same manner. BOZ 20:08, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Daragor is up for AFD, so I ported him and a couple other lycanthrope gods over here. BOZ 19:07, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Yeomanry (Greyhawk) is now up for AFD as well. I've been adding articles here when I have the time, and I will definitely have some free time this week. Gavin Collins is up to his usual shenanigans, as is Mikeblas to a lesser degree, while Pilotbob has fallen relatively quiet. The less they know about this place the better; why give them an incentive to bring up more AFDs over there if they know we're transwiking here? BOZ 16:32, 10 December 2007 (EST)

ENWorld notice

[1] you might want to reiterate Rip's comments, as I already have.  :) BOZ 12:47, 14 December 2007 (EST)


You're welcome! I also uploaded a Chronepsis image i found on my hard drive that I took from, hmm... Planescape Campaign setting, "Sigil and Beyond" book, p18.

There are a few from Monster Mythology that I think i'll upload since I have a few minutes. I'll attach them to the right pages later tonight unless you beat me to it.  ;)

There, I got 6 more for you. I'm about to get going home for the holidays. Don't think I'll have the opportunity to add any more pics until next week. I'll be online though. Have a good Christmas! BOZ 18:02, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Monster Mythology

Hey Rob, I finally finished adding all the gods in Monster Mythology, copying them from wikipedia. In the not-too-distant future, I'll start adding some details to the really stubby ones from the book. You, and espeicially Rip are really good at fleshing them out, so I'll leave that to you guys.  :) BOZ 15:27, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Merry Christmas

Hey Rob, Did you see the note I left for you on Wiki about Pilotbob getting bitched out? I noticed one of the deletionists (Jack Merridew) on that admin's talk page trying to lick his asshole about how he handled the Dwellers of the Forbidden City close, and I might have said a thing or two there as well.  ;) [2] BOZ 18:06, 24 December 2007 (EST)

That was my intention... hopefully, we'll see! BOZ 19:18, 24 December 2007 (EST)
Actually, I'm starting to think that he might be a robot!: [3] There's no reasoning with a robot.  ;) BOZ 17:33, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Anyway, check out Pilotbob's talk page. Not sure who Sephiroth is, if he's an admin or just a user who knows what he's talking about, but he's giving Pilot and Gavin a good talking to. Also gives a window into Gavin's motivations if you're curious. BOZ 20:19, 1 January 2008 (EST)

More Images

I uploaded several images from "Best of Dragon Magazine, Vol. III". I don't have the original Dragons handy, plus it was convenient to have them all in one place. They're kind of yellow, so I understand if you'd prefer to use the original sources. At least this gives you a starting point to work from. I didn't attach them to any articles, in case you want to use other copies of the images. BOZ 11:07, 27 December 2007 (EST)

If you've already got them, then I'll leave you to it. Shall I assume you've got the 1E Dieties & Demigods covered as well? I'll look through my Planescape stuff if you like; there's bound to be pictures here and there. BOZ 23:35, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Comments on my last question?

We Don't Lose 'em All!

Ro7P was spared again - this time with a KEEP instead of just no consensus!  :) that should, hopefully, deter anyone saying "yeah, but last time it was no consensus, so this time it should be a delete"  :) Also, Beltar was redirected with edit history preserved, which is better than a delete and redirect.

Osyluth and Destrachan were put up for AFD, but I'm far less concerned with them than a lot of other articles. I don't know where this AnteaterZot guy is coming from - his argument sounds different than a lot of deletionists. I'm going to try to convince him that merging/redirecting is way better than deleting. BOZ 00:34, 30 December 2007 (EST)

What's not to love about Erik? [4] BOZ 17:47, 5 January 2008 (EST)
Death knight is the next AFD on the block, FYI. BOZ 16:40, 14 January 2008 (EST)
Also, I'm fairly sure that Gavin has Iquander's talk page on his watchlist; moments after I posted a notice about the death knight, he voted on the AFD. So, be careful about posting there - just a head's up. BOZ 20:11, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Hello from FR-Wiki

I'm an admin over at the Forgotten Realms Wiki and noticed you were just getting started. Feel free to copy over any of the templates we have, since I know how fiddly it can be to get those right, and hopefully some of our ideas and policies might come in useful. Good luck with the project! Please sign my talk page at FR-Wiki if you'd like to reply. Fw190a8 07:53, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Temple of Elemental Evil

We have both a Temple of Elemental Evil article and a The Temple of Elemental Evil article. They seem to be virtually identical, except The Temple has another field filled in the infobox. Just a heads up. -- Rip 17:19, 5 January 2008 (EST)


Is up for deletion: [5] BOZ 10:35, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Logically, I guess this one is no surprise then: Slaad, and also someone tagged Lynkhab for same. BOZ 09:52, 28 January 2008 (EST)
Another one: [6]. BOZ 07:54, 29 January 2008 (EST)

And now, Rudd. BOZ 18:41, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Look at this idiot now: [7] He's calling me theatrical for defending my article, but it looks like he's the one crying like a big baby. :) BOZ 10:56, 7 February 2008 (EST)

I'm getting sick of fighting those jackasses. From what I'm seeing it looks like fiction notability at WP is shaping up to basically exclude almost all D&D articles except for some main ones. You spend time bringing an article up to WP standards and it's going to get shot down anyway. The only reason I've kept going is that those morons will think they've won if we quit trying, but at the same time if they want to spend their time in some pathetic effort to keep Wikipedia "pure" from "unencyclopedic" gaming articles that's fine. There are more geeks than deletionists so they'll just end up fighting the same battle over and over. --Smillan 31 20:49, 11 February 2008 (EST)
You are 100% in line with what I'm thinking - unfortunately. :( BOZ 13:27, 12 February 2008 (EST)
I lied. I stumbled on some stuff Gavin marked up with Notability tags that I knew had citations from Lawrence Schick's Heroic Worlds, so I couldn't resist at least putting those cites in an removing his tags. He does at least seem to know when he's beaten when you put in a 3rd party source he can't dispute. Of course you have to point out to him sometimes that you did put them in since he doesn't even seem to read the articles and check the refs before he tags them. It looks like he's going through the list of modules, so I'm following right on his trail.--Smillan 31 15:21, 22 February 2008 (EST)
Good man - I browse his edit list daily as well. Wish I didn't have to, but you know someone does. And you have to have a really solid 3rd-party source to get him to back down, because he can argue away just about anything. BOZ 21:21, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Webwarlock has joined us

We've been in communication lately - I think he's been about the most successful of anyone in battling Gavin's efforts, though Gavin never makes it easy. BOZ 09:59, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Welcome back!

Didn't realize we were back online.  :)

I'm going to try restoring some of the deleted monster articles from March into redirects. At that point, if you want to grab the creature from the article history and move it here, you may feel free of course.  :)

Got some bad news though: [8] BOZ 10:59, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Useful deletion trick

Rob, if you ever have an article on main wikipedia get deleted, and you'd like to see the edit history restored, it's easier than you think. Just give the deleting admin a legitimate reason, and they will usually do it - I haven't had one refuse me yet. Most of the ones I've done this way involved asking them to redirect the article to a proper list or whatever, and they will usually restore the edit history just like that. You can't do anything sneaky though like try to restore the article or they won't trust you again (and maybe worse) but if you need to copy something out of that, or just want the info to be available to anyone searching hard enough for it, it's a good thing.  :) BOZ 23:24, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh duh, I just realized I had told you about what I was doing, in the above section. ;) BOZ 23:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)


I decided it's time to finally do something about this guy: BOZ 16:30, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

So, we talked about it for awhile, and now we're considering something a tad stronger: BOZ 22:05, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

As Gavin will only accept a mediator who isn't involved with RPG's I don't think that it would be possible to get anyone who would be knowledgable enough about D&D to know if individual elements within Greyhawk (and other D&D settings) is notable. So I've added myself to the Support Arbitration list. Good luck with this. I hope it doesn't backfire and speed up deletion of D&D fiction-based articles.Big Mac 08:39, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Able Carter

If you'd rather put this under a Greyhawk businesses category (which would also have room for the Green Dragon Inn and such), I have no problem with that. "Greyhawk businesses" could also be a subcategory of Greyhawk organizations. Rip 13:40, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Hello from Spelljammer Wiki

I'm the Cloakmaster...erm, I mean Sysop at Spelljammer Wiki. I saw Fw190a8's message to you and thought I would also say hi.

I want to work with other D&D wikis (and non-wiki encyclopedias like Dragonlance Lexicon and Encyclopedia of the Planes).

I intend to use GHWiki as a source for further information about Oerth. My wiki is still fairly new and is a lot smaller than yours, but I hope one day it will be a useful resource for information about Spelljammer, and for Greyhawk fans further information about Greyspace.

I would also be interested in taking part in any sort of D&D campaign setting cross-wiki working group if people on the different D&D related wikis wanted to find ways to help improve cross-wiki navigation and share things like templates. I'd be more of a 'cheerleader' in the beginning, but would hope to contribute more later on.

Please feel free to pop over to my Spelljammer Wiki talk page, if you want to say hi, or have any questions.Big Mac 08:48, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Azalin Rex

It's actually not Gavin this time! BOZ 11:23, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


Book of Artifacts and Recorder of Ye'Cind. BOZ 09:43, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Artifacts list BOZ 23:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


Hey, what does everyone think about how much should go into the bibliographies? I just migrated swanmays over from Wikipedia and included all the refs to swanmays (including swanmay npc's) listed in Encyclopedia Greyhawkia in the bibliography. One part of me says that's going too far, another part says it would be nice for people to just loo at the bib and see everywhere that swanmays get mentioned. I'm not trying to establish a rule just more find out what folks think on the matter.--Smillan 31 12:20, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Publication histories

Give me some feedback, if you like. :) BOZ 13:50, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

I went ahead and implemented my idea on Orcus, beholder, illithid, sahuagin, Moradin, and Corellon Larethian. Feel free to make whatever corrections or additions are needed. Feel free to add details from any book in the form of "This book describes the subject as..." as well, if you like; I was just trying to get the bare bones set up to make that possible. :) BOZ 11:53, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Main page

Is it possible to semi-protect the main page, like on the regular wikipedia? That may (maybe) keep the spam off of it. Of course, it's entirely possible that it may just direct the spam somewhere else... :) BOZ 09:55, 23 June 2008 (EDT)


Hey, I know you're no big Forgotten Realms fan, but got any D&D solidarity for this one? :) BOZ 08:21, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

By the way, if the fates don't conspire against me too much, I'm heading off to GenCon tonight. If you're there, hope to run into you! BOZ 08:23, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


OK, this one hits me where it hurts. Some people warned me at the time that people might try to delete the List of D&D monsters sooner or later, and I guess I just had to wait around long enough. I put a ton of work into that, and everyone *else* said "hey nice work, great idea!" Now some asshead deletionist got a good look at it and things aren't looking so good. :( Also up for the big D is the 2nd Ed monsters list. Any support you could give would be mucho appreciated. BOZ 08:46, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

now here's one that's doomed for failure:  ;) BOZ 10:58, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

D&D articles for Wikipedia 0.7

Hey there!  :) If you are interested, Wikipedia is going to have a DVD release of some of the top articles coming out around the holidays. I'm inviting you to participate in our goal to both improve articles that have been selected to be placed in the next Wikipedia DVD release, as well as nominate more to be selected for this project. Please see the WikiProject D&D talk page for more details. :) BOZ 11:14, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Our old friend

Hey there. :) We are preparing a nice surprise for our old friend. When he decides to ignore that, we'll step it up. Anything you want to contribute? BOZ 16:07, 22 November 2008 (EST)


If it would help ease the burden on you for me to help with spam deletion/banning, I'd be happy to accept admin privileges. -- Rip 20:27, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Finally! :) BOZ 14:00, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Here we go again, hopefully this will be more effective: :) BOZ 17:06, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Magic items

I think we can salvage this one:

These AFDs don't come up as often as they used to, now that most of Gavin's notability tags are gone, but there will always be interested deletionists making a stab... BOZ 09:41, 24 December 2008 (EST)


Cebrion made a forum for this wiki. --Rip 04:45, 16 January 2009 (EST)


Dragon #306, page 99: "St. Benedor of the Ashen Hand, patron of the Knight Protectors of the Great Kingdom, remains a greatly revered saint in the order of the Sun Lord." Benedor's "Ashen Hand" moniker came from the time he burned himself using the Orb of Sol; Saint Kargoth's corrupted Orb was a deliberate mockery of an artifact of Pelor's. -- Rip 12:36, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Where are the 'Infoboxes' on your user page?

According to the Infoboxes section of the Writing Guildlines page you have a collection of infoboxes on your user page. The link was broken and I wanted to fix it, but can't tell where it should point to. Big Mac 15:53, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for fixing this! Big Mac 18:05, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Dwellers of the Forbidden City

Hey, I posed this to Rip originally since he was the only one who had worked on the article, but if he is lacking the time, inclination, or ability, maybe you would be interested? :) FYI, we recently got Dragons of Despair up to GA, but failed with Unearthed Arcana due to a number of problems with the article. We will likely try with Against the Giants and a number of other GH-themed books, such as Dwellers, in the near future. BOZ 18:09, 18 January 2009 (EST)

I got that taken care of - if you can think of anything else to help improve the article for GA status, feel free to jump in at any point. :) BOZ 16:18, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Re: Castle Greyhawk (Module)

Hey, Rob -

I know it's a bit late to be pinging you on this, but I just wanted to give my reasonings for deleting the list of ancillary characters (my job's so hectic now, I rarely have time to get on any wikis anymore). I understand where you're coming from on wanting to leave the list -- I'm just concerned that we'd end up with a long stretch of redlinks that will never be filled, because the articles they link to aren't Greyhawk content. Would you have any objections to me de-wikifying the non-Greyhawk names, and perhaps putting a reference to what they parody, either in-list or as a footnote, just to get rid of all the red?

Thanks, Pat Payne 16:52, 28 January 2009 (EST)

    • The redlinks may well be filled eventually, but by articles on the WG7 characters (who qualify as apocryphal Greyhawk content), not on the subjects they parody. My only problem with the list is that it mostly only references the parody characters, which are often not particularly "notable," and not as useful or interesting in my opinion as the non-parody characters like Drumorg and Xodast. I think of that section as a placeholder for a better version with a more balanced list of characters. But there's probably an eventual place on the wiki for any Greyhawk character, even Poppinfarsh and Driderman. I mean, I'll probably eventually write an article on Freddy McKreuger from Puppets, and he's almost as bad. Certainly no rush to do that, though. - Rip 17:42, 28 January 2009 (EST)
      • If you'd like, I can even start in on some of those characters, if there's a consensus that they ought to be filled in. I'm not proud to admit it, but I did find a second-hand copy of The Module That Shall Not Be Named :)... And Herzog Akitrom is at least an original, mostly-canonical Greyhawk character. 20:36, 28 January 2009 (EST) Pat Payne 20:38, 28 January 2009 (EST) (dangit, forgot to log in again...)

Tomb of Horrors

We got Tomb of Horrors to be recognized as "Good Article" quality status today. :) That category has been growing steadily due to our efforts lately. I would like to add the main Greyhawk article at some point, which I know you put a ton of work into. We got the Forgotten Realms article there a few days ago, and I think in addition to Greyhawk, we should be able to do the same with Planescape, Ravenloft, and Spelljammer in time. The Greyhawk article is not in too bad shape, but probably needs some reorganizing akin to what I did with the FR article. A lot of the text that's currently in the lead should go into a "development" section. Also, I want to get a bunch of the old classic 1E and OD&D modules up, and I'm looking in the direction of Isle of Dread at this point. BOZ 20:53, 1 February 2009 (EST)