User talk:Mystic-Scholar

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Welcome . . .

to the Great Library of Greyhawk. Be sure to check out the Writing Guidelines. Feel free to post any questions you may have on my talk page. Also, be sure to use the edit summary when making changes.--Robbastard 21:19, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

PS: I've noticed that most of your changes have been in the wording of existing articles, essentially keeping the same content with a different presentation. If this is because you feel the wording can be improved, fine. However, make sure that you're not duplicating the wording directly from any sourcebooks, as we try to avoid plagiarism. If you find that you have unwittingly copied any source material word-for-word, it would be much appreciated if you corrected this. Thanks.--Robbastard 21:30, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

Rel Astra

Given the fact that Rel Astra is a city-state, the Greyhawk Realm infobox would probably be more appropriate.--Robbastard 18:34, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

I figured since you'd taken an interest in the article, you might be interested in changing the infobox--just copy and paste the stuff in the box with dotted lines under "Usage.". Also, you can use four tildes (~) to sign your posts.--Robbastard 20:43, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Your enthusiasm is great, MS--it's good to have another contributor. You'll notice that I made some changes--nothing to take personal, this is common practice in wikis. This is the first time I've had a chance to really look over some of your work. Aside from some of the minor stuff (excess capitalization & italicization, for example), I've noticed that in some places you include speculation on the nature of things, such as why certain deities have a presence in the city. Unless such speculation is found in a (canonical or apocryphal) source, it should not be included (I only got as far as the religion section, btw) on the article page. Anyway, thanks for helping out, and don't get discouraged by the learning curve--we were all there, once. Also, feel free to use an article's talk page if you have any questions about that subject or the article itself.--Robbastard 00:46, 26 August 2009 (EDT)


If you haven't noticed, they're in alphabetical order, by author's last name. Could you please alphabetize the sources you've added? Thanks.--Robbastard 00:56, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

When you have a question

About a certain article, it would be helpful if you link to the article in the text of your message, so I can go directly to it instead of searching for it. Thanks.--Robbastard 20:01, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

It would also be helpful

. . . if you checked your links after creating them, to make sure they go to the desired page. For instance, in Society of Magi, you linked it to Greyhawk, which goes directly to the article on the campaign setting, when you meant for it to link to the city of the same name. You could either link it to the correct title (Free City of Greyhawk), a page that redirects there (Greyhawk City), or by using a pipe (|) in the link, such as Greyhawk (hit "edit" to see how I did this).--Robbastard 20:16, 28 August 2009 (EDT)


Look for it to the right of your left bracket key, same key as the backslash (\).--Robbastard 20:22, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

If it looks like

Rip & I are making fewer corrections to your edits, it could be that you're improving, but it could also be that we just haven't had time to look over everything in its entirety--I'm still making corrections to articles that are over a year old, for instance. :) That said, you do seem to be coming right along in learning the ropes. If I did have one suggestion, it would be to avoid creating articles for subjects that rely solely on apocryphal sources, such as the Oerth Journal. Canonical sources for a subject can be located via the Encyclopedia Greyhawkania, found here. Articles written with only apocryphal sources for reference run the risk of having outdated and/or incorrect information.--Robbastard 11:23, 29 August 2009 (EDT)


Also, make sure to add the appropriate categories to the bottom of pages you create. The categories can be found here. Note that categories are often divided into subcategories.--Robbastard 12:19, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

  • Categories are added by placing "Category:x" in double brackets after the Bibliography. For an article about a city or town, for instance, you'd do "Category:Greyhawk settlements" (in double brackets, without quotes). For an organization, you'd do "Category:Greyhawk organizations."--Robbastard 15:22, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

Be careful

To avoid plagiarizing when creating new articles. Your Druniazth article had several instances of entire phrases being copied word-for-word. I've fixed most of it. I find a good thesaurus helps, and also changing the order of the sentence.--Robbastard 22:45, 26 April 2010 (EDT)


I see you repeating many of the same mistakes--for instance, excess spacing, unnecessary capitalizations (generally only reserved for proper names and at the beginning of a sentence), failing to put spaces between years & "CY" ("586 CY" not "586CY"), misuse of categories (The Earldom of the Tangles is a realm, but not a settlement; the Men of the Rift are a realm and realm & possibly an organization, but not a character), and improper format on references ("*Holian, Gary, Erik Mona, Sean K. Reynolds, and Frederick Weining. Living Greyhawk Gazetteer. Renton, WA. Wizards of the Coast, 2000." not "Holian, Gary, Mona, Erik, Reynolds, Sean K., and Weining, Frederick. Living Greyhawk Gazetteer. Renton, WA. Wizards of the Coast, 2000."). Keeping track of little things like this would help a great deal. :) Thanks--Robbastard 22:34, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

Sorry about that Rob, will work to improve that. Don't want to make unnecessary work for you. Thanks for the coaching. Mystic-Scholar 23:22, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

The apostrophe

I've noticed you're often writing "Iuz's" as "Iuz'." An 's is always added to "Iuz" when denoting possession. The only time an apostrophe alone suffices is in the case of certain Classical or Biblical names, which generally won't come up.--Robbastard 22:56, 29 April 2010 (EDT)


Were you logged in when you edited Stoink? If you edited it anonymously, it would only show your IP. -- Rip 13:34, 2 May 2010 (EDT)

I'm sure that's likely what happened. You weren't logged in, and you didn't notice, so the wiki logged your IP instead of your nickname. That can't happen anymore, since it's set to not allow anonymous edits. -- Rip 14:13, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

Greyhawk bodies of water

We have a "bodies of water" category for all lakes, oceans, seas, and rivers. Dividing the category into subcategories wouldn't be a bad thing, but right now it seems adequate. If you think there should be subcategories, you can create new categories just by putting them at the bottom of articles (like you did) and then clicking on the redlink and writing some small explanatory text for what the category is for. Like, "This category lists rivers in the World of Greyhawk setting." That'll be enough to turn the redlink blue. Then make sure you give the category itself a category. The category "Greyhawk rivers" should have the "Greyhawk bodies of water" category linked at the bottom. For now, rather than re-categorize everything in the Greyhawk bodies of water category, I just put your new articles there. If you think it'd be better to make subcategories for all those things, feel free. -- Rip 14:13, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

Oh, also, I've been alphabetizing your bibliographies, and adding a bullet point (*) where you forget them. Bullet points should be in front of everything in the bibliography list, and the list should appear in alphabetical order by the first author's last name. -- Rip 14:29, 3 May 2010 (EDT)


Desayeus is from the 3rd edition adventure Bastion of Broken Souls. While there's nothing to stop anyone from incorporating him into the mythos of the World of Greyhawk, he isn't specifically linked to anything Oerth-specific. He was worshiped somewhere in the same multiverse as Oerth, since he was exiled to the same Pandemonium that the gods of Oerth know (and I'm pretty sure I mentioned him in the Pandemonium entry), but his worshiper base may (or may not) have been on another world. And yeah, I wrote that entry on Planewalker.

The closest god to Thoth would be Boccob, I think, as the god of magic and balance. -- Rip 09:04, 4 May 2010 (EDT)

Article titles

When creating new articles, make sure you observe proper, consistent capitalization for article titles. For example, when "river," "forest," "lake," "mountains," hills," etc, are included in the proper name, those should also be capitalized. Thus, "Javan River" would be correct, whereas "Javan river" would not. Note that's it's perfectly okay to create a redirect for the later, but the main article title should utilize the proper spelling.--Robbastard 22:13, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

It can be fixed by moving the article to its proper title using the "move" tab.--Robbastard 22:32, 5 May 2010 (EDT)


A "Notes" section is not necessary for every article. Notes sections should only be used when the information doesn't fit under another heading. For example, in your Davish River article, you placed information about the island of Avenstane under "Notes," when it it would more appropriately belong under "Features and settlements."--Robbastard 22:13, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Flora and fauna

This section probably works best as a subsection of "Ecology."--Robbastard 22:40, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

This can be done by adding another "=" to each side of the section title.--Robbastard 22:43, 5 May 2010 (EDT)


Don't forget to italicize the titles of your sources, where needed.--Robbastard 23:52, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Your contributions. . .

are appreciated, as is your willingness to learn. Everyone has growing pains, so don't take any aggravation I might seem to exhibit personally--it's mostly being overwhelmed at the volume of your contributions (which is good, btw :). I've found that coaching new "scribes" in the Great Library can be rewarding for all, as pointing out mistakes & offering suggestions gives them incentive to write better articles (& improve their originals, thus lightening my workload). Your work continues to improve, which gives me confidence. Don't be discouraged if it takes me (or Rip) awhile to look over your articles, or to add images. Wiki productivity comes in spurts, and you yourself seem to have gotten on quite a roll over the last week! Also, feel free to offer suggestions of your own. :)--Robbastard 23:52, 5 May 2010 (EDT)


Since Denis' site is a fan site (even though he is the creator) are there any Canon references to Melkot that I can use to create an entry? Mystic-Scholar 00:24, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

/and map

Adding this designation is not necessary in the bibliography, as the product listed includes all content. Individual parts of a product (booklets, maps, reference cards, etc) would generally be reserved for in-line citations (though well known maps might have unofficial designations unrelated to the actual product name, such as the Darlene map for the map in the 1983 box, or the Paizo map instead of the Dungeon magazine that section of map was bundled with).--Robbastard 17:17, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

"loading" templates

To "load" a template (for Melkot, you'd use the Template:Greyhawk Settlement template), go to the "Usage" section, copy the info in the box, then paste it to the page you're working on.--Robbastard 00:48, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

Blemu Hills

My submission of the Blemu Hills is ready for your perusal. Thanks! Mystic-Scholar 20:00, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

Yeomanry map

It's detail from the "Paizo map" that was packaged in four different sections in Dungeon #118-121. Link.--Robbastard 14:17, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

"X years ago"

The above phrase, as you used in Dark Gate, is best avoided, as the reader has no point of reference. For example, was the discovery of the Passage of Slerotin "some twelve years ago" from: 600CY? 576 CY? 591 CY? 1 CY? Instead, try to come up with an accurate date. In this case, the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (set in 591 CY) conflicts with Return of the Eight, The Adventure Begins, & Living Greyhawk Journal #0, all of which have dates of 576 CY, 577 CY, and 576 CY, respectively. To accommodate this discrepancy between canonical sources, I changed the wording to "Between 576 and 579 CY." A handy page for finding dates like "x years ago," btw is Steve Wilson's Grey Chrondex, located here.--Robbastard 21:02, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

New category

Given the number of new river articles you've created, I've made a Category:Greyhawk rivers category. Could you please use this category for any new river pages you create? Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you change the categories of the river articles you've previously put in Category:Greyhawk bodies of water? Thanks.--Robbastard 21:16, 11 May 2010 (EDT)


Unless you have any particular issues with a new page, it isn't necessary to post a link to every article you create on my talk page, as I'll probably see it anyway. I regularly monitor the Recent changes page (link on left as well), and I can also see your contributions by going to Special:Contributions/Mystic-Scholar. However, don't hesitate to post on my (or Rip's) talk page any time you need help or have a question.--Robbastard 21:24, 11 May 2010 (EDT)


As easy way to find additional material on this wiki about an article you're working on is to click on the "What links here" link to the left. It will display a list of all current pages that link to your subject.--Robbastard 23:50, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Flora & fauna in rivers

The fact that a river passes through or near a forest doesn't actually make the forest part of the river's flora. This section should be used for plants and animals that actually inhabit waters of the river itself.--Robbastard 23:58, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Corrections on talk pages

There's no real need to do this. In the cases you modified, redirects were already in place. Also, leaving examples of mistakes visible on talk pages can give new users a sense of how to avoid similar issues.--Robbastard 14:46, 13 May 2010 (EDT)


Nope, since Cordell put Thalland on the Harp River. It's the LGG that associates Thalland with the Thelly. -- Rip 17:02, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

See the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, page 13. -- Rip 18:10, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
This sort of question would be appropriate for the article's talk page, by the way. I check the wiki often enough that I'll see it there. -- Rip 18:18, 22 May 2010 (EDT)